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Med-Peds for Osteopathic Applicants - Shared screen with speaker view
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
10:02
Hi all
Blake Lowe - PGY4 Geisinger
10:56
Hi Allen! Hope you’re doing well!
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
11:10
All well !!!!
Margaret Kell, NYITCOM OMSIV
11:11
Margaret Kell, OMSIV, mjohns19@nyit.edu
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
11:17
Hi Dr. Friedland, good to be here!
Dahlia Naman NYITCOM MS4
11:17
Dahlia Naman, MS4, dnaman@Nyit.edu
Fransisca Anozie
11:19
Fransisca Anozie, anoziefr@msu.edu
Farrah Gaston - OMS4, VCOM-Auburn
11:22
Farrah Gaston, OMS4, farrahgaston@outlook.com
Philip Jurasinski
11:32
Phil Jurasinski, OMS IV, Philip.N.Jurasinski@dmu.edu
sofiakayamali
11:32
Sofia, Kayamali, OMS IV, sofiakayamali@my.unthsc.edu
Kali Chiriboga, OMSIV COMPNW
11:37
Kali Chiriboga, OMSIV
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
11:38
Johanna Rosales, OMS4, rosalesjr@acom.edu
Audra Lane, WVSOM OMS-4
11:39
Audra Lane, alane2@osteo.wvsom.edu
Brooke McVaney
11:41
Brooke McVaney, OMSIV, bmcvaney@osteo.wvsom.edu
Ben Traisman
11:41
Benjamin Traisman, OMS4, btraisma@student.touro.edu
Kali Chiriboga, OMSIV COMPNW
11:43
kali.chiriboga@westernu.edu
Maggie Costa
11:44
Maggie Costa OMSIII, CUSOM m_costa1005@email.campbell.edu
Tyler Knapp
11:46
Tyler Knapp, tknapp@nyit.edu
Nerissa Fernandes
11:47
Nerissa Fernandes, OMS-IV, nferna08@nyit.edu
Taxia Arabatzis
11:49
Taxia Arabatzis tarabatzis@une.edu
Jillian Costello
11:50
Jillian Costello, OMS4, jmcostello@liberty.edu
Meaghan Roszyk - PCOM OMS IV
11:51
Meaghan Roszyk, OMS IV, meaghanro@pcom.edu
Shiv Misra
11:52
Shiv Misra, MS4 misras0@rowan.edu
Alex Woinski OMSIII
11:56
Alexander Woinski, OMS III, awoinski@osteo.wvsom.edu
Irfan "Simon" Ali, CUSOM OMS4
11:56
Irfan Ali, OMS4, i_ali0414@email.campbell.edu
Ashley Allsbrook
11:59
Ashley Allsbrook, arallsbrook0525@email.campbell.edu
Samantha Culver
12:04
Samantha Culver, OMS 4, sculver@une.edu
Christy Tsui
12:11
Christy Tsui, OMSIV, ctsui@une.edu
Kayla Thomas
12:13
Kayla Thomas, OMS4, kaylath@pcom.edu
Courtney Thrower
12:17
Courtney Thrower, OMSIII, cthrower@arcomedu.org
Brittany Brown, CUSOM OMS4
12:20
Brittany Brown OMS4 bsbrown0502@email.campbell.edu
Divya Padmanabhan, OMS-III
12:26
Divya Padmanabhan, OMS-IV at UNE COM, dpadmanabhan@une.edu
Austin Ritter (LECOM 2021)
12:45
Austin Ritter, OMS4, aritter09438@med.lecom.edu
Rowena Hann
12:51
Rowena Hann, OMS4, rowena.hann@tu.edu
Candyce Mehler
12:52
Candyce Mehler, OMS4, candycemehler@gmail.com
Avni Sheth
13:03
Avni Sheth (OMS4), asheth@student.touro.edu
Vickie Sizemore
13:11
Vickie Sizemore, OMS3, vsizemore@pnwu.edu
Poanna Bennam
13:27
Poanna Bennam, OMS4, p_bennam0908@email.campbell.edu
Jacki Lineberry- VCOM OMS4
15:05
Jacki Lineberry, VCOM OMS4. jferrance@vcom.edu
Blake Lowe - PGY4 Geisinger
16:46
We Southerners love Med Peds :)
Dominique Cross
17:15
Dominique Cross, OMS-4 PCOM -- dc147876@pcom.edu
Jacob Vaught, VCOM, OMS4
17:45
Jacob Vaught, VCOM OMS4, JVaught@vcom.edu
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
19:47
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Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
20:07
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Nathan Stehouwer
21:21
2018 NRMP data if you rank 10 MP programs contiguously, 98% chance of match
Nathan Stehouwer
28:00
if any questions come up feel free to put them in the chat!
Austin Ritter (LECOM 2021)
30:11
What date should we give letter writers for LoR due dates?
Suzanne McLaughlin (Brown MP PD)
33:36
To the students: Would schools ever consider providing a "sample" LOR that could be given to a community physician to illustrate the basics for a letter-writer who could speak well to the student's clinical abilities and potential, but may not have experience with drafting LORs (demonstrating use of formal letterhead, including direct observation of patient interactions, characteristics that will serve them well in residency and as future physicians)?
Margaret Kell, NYITCOM OMSIV
34:24
I believe that would be well-received by our administration at NYITCOM.
Dominique Cross
34:45
I will reach out to clinical education at PCOM to see if this is possible!
Philip Jurasinski
35:46
I will definitely communicate this to the Clinical Affairs Department at Des Moines University :)
Nathan Stehouwer
36:07
agree with 1 mo in advance as a good starting point
Austin Ritter (LECOM 2021)
36:40
I think it would be really helpful to just have a PDF of an example letter to include in the packet (along with resume, etc) that I send to said community physicians.
Jayne Barr AAP-Section of Med-Peds
36:42
1 month prior to the ERAs October opening is what I recommend as well
Suzanne McLaughlin (Brown MP PD)
36:55
Historically, letter writers are used to having these done by September, so asking for something by October would not surprise anyone. Some students have the experience that offering a deadline ~4 weeks from the ask allows letter writers to balance some flexibility with needing a deadline to make sure it happens.
Irfan "Simon" Ali, CUSOM OMS4
37:10
I know this year may be a little different with some people not being able to have a complete set of traditional rotations this year, but how heavily do you all weigh clinical grades?
Suzanne McLaughlin (Brown MP PD)
39:58
Our program gives strong consideration to clinical performance - not necessarily expecting students to be perfect/all-honors, but to show characteristics of engaged learners (interested, working to identify what they don't know and address the learning needs, committed to patients at all times).
Irfan "Simon" Ali, CUSOM OMS4
40:56
Thank you :)
Nathan Stehouwer
42:29
Second Dr. McLaughlin’s comments - we weight clinical grades strongly, but account for (1) school grading curve (some schools give honors much more restrictively), and (2) the extent to which those grades are based on clinical performance vs shelf scores (I am much more interested in clinical performance.). Some programs pay less attention to clinical grades, cannot speak for everyone.
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
43:24
At our program to get AOA certification especially to practice in Pennsylvania, we follow the AOA guidelines which only is 2 weeks of difference (ED) compared to our other MP interns and present 20 minute conference on 5 OMT principles and then we send an application to AOA and get a certificate to practice in all 50 states
Lauren O'Byrne, DO (Assistant PD MetroHealth)
43:32
Clinical grades are a part of our application review and we do consider grading curves as well. Having higher marks in Med-peds, Medicine, Pediatrics and Family Medicine rotations are the most important to us (as opposed to surgery) since it would make sense that you would thrive in those rotations if you are interested in Med-Peds.
Blake Lowe - PGY4 Geisinger
46:16
Same for Geisinger. DO’s do an additional rotation in sedation/anesthesia during intern or 2nd year, have our own osteopathic lecture series and grand rounds, monthly OMM practice sessions and the ability to have clinic sessions for OMM within our continuity clinic.
sofiakayamali
47:03
How would programs look at a higher USMLE score performance and an average comlex score?
Meaghan Roszyk - PCOM OMS IV
47:08
How do programs weigh a clinical grade with no performance evaluation? At my school, if preceptors do not submit the evaluation in a certain time frame, students are given a provisional pass for the evaluation and the grade is basically the shelf score.
Jennifer's iPhone
48:34
at University of Buffalo we don’t need to see a USMLE score- the COMLEx is fine. I know this is not true of other programs
Suzanne McLaughlin (Brown MP PD)
48:51
Dr. Stehouwer makes a great point - we try to be very aware of the variation in grading curves across schools and that has gotten much easier to understand as MSPEs have become more standardized. And we're also mindful of clerkship grades that are largely driven by shelf-scores versus clinical performance (more valued).
Nathan Stehouwer
49:45
@sofia - My guess is most PDs will be more familiar with USMLE scale so a higher USMLE will stand you in good stead. My personal take is that I just want to see evidence that you CAN take standardized tests in order to pass 2 boards after residency - so 1 average and 1 strong exam score will be fine.
sofiakayamali
50:21
thank you!
Courtney Thrower
53:28
Do you recommend a student to take the USMLE level 1 or 2 if we took COMLEX level 1 and did not receive a great score?
Christy Tsui
54:32
If we’ve taken both USMLE and COMLEX, is the expectation that we send all of our scores rather than sending one set?
Courtney Thrower
54:45
Thank you!
Austin Ritter (LECOM 2021)
56:06
What would be the latest date that it would be useful to take Step 2? (I’m prioritizing COMLEX and clinical experiences, but am going to try fit USMLE later on depending on Covid risk and test availability…)
Blake Lowe - PGY4 Geisinger
56:11
Last I checked, you can take USMLE and don’t release it if you did poorly
Christy Tsui
56:31
Thank you!
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
57:00
Goodbye to you all
Allen Friedland (Christiana Care PD)
57:13
I need to run.
Philip Jurasinski
57:20
Thanks so much!
sofiakayamali
57:28
Thank you!
Suzanne McLaughlin (Brown MP PD)
57:45
That's a great idea
Philip Jurasinski
58:05
Is there a timeline for that repository?
Lauren O'Byrne, DO (Assistant PD MetroHealth)
59:18
We also consider improvement in scores (on COMLEX or USMLE) to be important when we review score reports.
Nerissa Fernandes
59:28
Thank you, Dr. Friedland!
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:00:10
How many programs do you recommend DO students apply to?
sofiakayamali
01:00:12
any recommendations on comlex PE?
sofiakayamali
01:00:22
and the cancellations happening
Theo Gomes, DO
01:01:38
Agreed, well stated!
Irfan "Simon" Ali, CUSOM OMS4
01:02:20
For those programs that list on FREIDA with a lower Step requirement for interview but a COMLEX of, say 600.. would you recommend applying to them for the average DO applicant?
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:06:21
We have also been told to apply to a backup specialty. However, I cannot imagine giving up IM or Peds.
Nathan Stehouwer
01:07:05
@ Johanna - sounds like you have found the right field then
Nathan Stehouwer
01:07:46
would encourage folks to reach out to Med-Peds PDs in their area for individual questions - things like whether to include “categorical backup,” etc. - hard to give blanket advice on those sorts of questions
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:08:52
Thank you! Yes, I have! Can’t imagine doing anything other than Med-Peds.
Fransisca Anozie
01:09:57
How does having a leave of absence affect your application into med-peds? What advice would you give to a first year student on how to be intentional earlier on with getting more acquainted with Med-peds? Could you expand more on the translational care of Med-Peds? Could you expand more on the deans letter and its relation to course score graded with pass or fail?
Kayla Thomas
01:10:49
Thank you for that! That was helpful!
Jennifer's iPhone
01:10:59
if there is a good reason for a leave of absence, I wouldn’t worry about it
Margaret Kell, NYITCOM OMSIV
01:11:00
Thank you, Amelia!
Nathan Stehouwer
01:11:39
@ Fransisca - would recommend getting involved with NMPRA - great opportunity to learn more and connect with Med-Peds folks if you are earlier in your training
Nathan Stehouwer
01:11:53
second comment regarding leave - just address it in your statement or elsewhere
Brittany Brown, CUSOM OMS4
01:11:55
Thank you Amelia!
Nathan Stehouwer
01:12:33
regarding transitional care - there are a few conferences on this subject - annual CME course at Harvard, annual conference on Baylor on Chronic Illness and Disability
Nathan Stehouwer
01:12:39
gottransition.org also a good resource
Fransisca Anozie
01:12:58
@ Dr. Nathan that you so much for your response.I would be sure to do so, I already signed up to NMPRA yesterday.
Theo Gomes, DO
01:13:03
Don’t forget about second looks after you have interviewed at particular programs
Philip Jurasinski
01:14:09
Could you give us an idea how second looks might be done this year?
Courtney Thrower
01:14:29
This was very helpful. Thank you!
Nathan Stehouwer
01:15:10
Suspect we will not offer second looks since even our “first look” will be virtual - however we are always happy to connect people with specific people/resources for information
Nathan Stehouwer
01:15:33
100% agree - if you’ve already had an interview, you don’t need to try to prove your interest above and beyond
Lauren O'Byrne, DO (Assistant PD MetroHealth)
01:16:22
Agreed. If you have specific questions, we encourage you to contact us before or after interviews.
Philip Jurasinski
01:17:35
Thank you!
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:18:59
If we are able to acquire a Med-Peds SubI, how many do you recommend we do if we have not had any Med-Peds exposure?
Jeannine's iPhone
01:19:04
Just providing my contact information!
Christy Tsui
01:19:29
Thank you for those recommendations!
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:19:48
Thank you!
Shiv Misra
01:20:18
Thank you guys for doing this! It was super helpful :)
Jeannine's iPhone
01:20:39
Jeannine Jeha DO PGY3, Chief Resident at UMass in Worcester, MA. Graduated from Univ. of New England in Maine. Feel free to email me at Jeannine.jeha@umassmemorial.org
Nathan Stehouwer
01:21:06
throw fewer scalpels than neurosurgery PDs
Kayla Thomas
01:21:12
Thank you everyone!
Avni Sheth (TouroCOM - OMS4)
01:21:15
Thank you so much everyone!
Irfan "Simon" Ali, CUSOM OMS4
01:21:19
Thank you so much!
Philip Jurasinski
01:21:19
Thank you!
Alen Saju
01:21:20
thank you!
Jennifer Philipose
01:21:25
Thank you so much!
Poanna Bennam
01:21:25
Thank you!
Christy Tsui
01:21:26
THANK YOU!
Austin Ritter (LECOM 2021)
01:21:26
This was so helpful as always. Thank you all so much!
Fransisca Anozie
01:21:26
Thank you!
Divya Padmanabhan, OMS-III
01:21:29
Thank you all!
Ashley Allsbrook
01:21:33
Thank You
Meaghan Roszyk - PCOM OMS IV
01:21:33
Thank you!!
Rowena Hann
01:21:33
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you hosting this for us.
Johanna Rosales ACOM OMS4
01:21:34
Thank you all so much! Have a great weekend
Nerissa Fernandes
01:21:37
Thank you very much!!
Ben Traisman
01:21:37
Thank you so much!
Alex Woinski OMSIII
01:21:39
Thank you all!
Jacki Lineberry- VCOM OMS4
01:21:39
Thank you all! This was great.
Jillian Costello
01:21:42
Thank you so much!
Samantha Culver
01:21:50
Thank you, appreciate all the info!
Brittany Brown, CUSOM OMS4
01:21:50
Thank you so much!
Theo Gomes, DO
01:21:52
You are welcome. Take care everyone!
Farrah Gaston - OMS4, VCOM-Auburn
01:21:56
Thank you all!!